gopinathan
07-28 12:51 PM
I see all the people in these forms who are highly educated but prejudiced about an opportunity because of bad practices by some narrow-minded people. the very word "amway" is frowned upon..
This is what I learned from my experience (the last confrontation/discussion I had with my up-line before quitting). in case of Indians coming to study/work in USA, we did as we are told. we aced the exams, worked hard to get a job and our parents back home are proud. we achieved something in our lives and if a strangers walks by and slaps his pitch saying I am living a lie - that's a nasty pill to swallow. how in the world can someone expect an outsider tell him he is a loser and this business is his ticket to happiness ?? and everything these strangers in the malls do to prove it (like talking about retiring at 40, making millions while driving in $2K cars, having diamonds show their checks) its all making matters worse. that is not how you build credibility with a stranger.
everyone likes financial freedom but you will never get someone to agree to that and accept for help unless you are his close friend or an associate. no one will open-up with his real worries to someone who just showed up with a smiles. how stupid is it to ask someone you come across in WM about his dreams vacation or retirement plans and have the guts to say have a vehicle to fulfill his dreams !
.. a person has to be ready mentally to be approached for any business and if they are not ready then the same conversation which they might find helpful at the time when he is mentally ready would look like as a harassment when they are not mentally ready.
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And i believe these all practices of theirs is whats turning people off.
This is what I learned from my experience (the last confrontation/discussion I had with my up-line before quitting). in case of Indians coming to study/work in USA, we did as we are told. we aced the exams, worked hard to get a job and our parents back home are proud. we achieved something in our lives and if a strangers walks by and slaps his pitch saying I am living a lie - that's a nasty pill to swallow. how in the world can someone expect an outsider tell him he is a loser and this business is his ticket to happiness ?? and everything these strangers in the malls do to prove it (like talking about retiring at 40, making millions while driving in $2K cars, having diamonds show their checks) its all making matters worse. that is not how you build credibility with a stranger.
everyone likes financial freedom but you will never get someone to agree to that and accept for help unless you are his close friend or an associate. no one will open-up with his real worries to someone who just showed up with a smiles. how stupid is it to ask someone you come across in WM about his dreams vacation or retirement plans and have the guts to say have a vehicle to fulfill his dreams !
.. a person has to be ready mentally to be approached for any business and if they are not ready then the same conversation which they might find helpful at the time when he is mentally ready would look like as a harassment when they are not mentally ready.
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And i believe these all practices of theirs is whats turning people off.
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breddy2000
09-04 11:05 AM
Dealsnet,
The contents of the link are facts. Do you have point to say so other than trying to pick on me and drifting from the fact that “YSR was a corrupt, factionist gunda, land grabber who has killed numerous people”
YSR being Christian, Hindu or Muslim does not change the facts. The link has some valid points.
Mr. CHANDV23.....You should have been aware that when you are logged in with your alias(aka _TrueFacts) it turns "Green dot" beside your ID. Your other ID "CHANDUV23" turns blue if you do not use it...
Still making me laugh the hell lot trying to prove your point by hiding behind your real Identity. Why not accept that you are indeed "CHANDUV23" Hahaha...
I guess this is what is called "Wolf in Sheep clothes"
The contents of the link are facts. Do you have point to say so other than trying to pick on me and drifting from the fact that “YSR was a corrupt, factionist gunda, land grabber who has killed numerous people”
YSR being Christian, Hindu or Muslim does not change the facts. The link has some valid points.
Mr. CHANDV23.....You should have been aware that when you are logged in with your alias(aka _TrueFacts) it turns "Green dot" beside your ID. Your other ID "CHANDUV23" turns blue if you do not use it...
Still making me laugh the hell lot trying to prove your point by hiding behind your real Identity. Why not accept that you are indeed "CHANDUV23" Hahaha...
I guess this is what is called "Wolf in Sheep clothes"
aranya
12-14 03:33 PM
So that interprets to "7% limit for every country" - seems to be "Equality"
Equal yes but also separate and that did not work very well in the past, did it?
Equal yes but also separate and that did not work very well in the past, did it?
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sc3
09-23 04:44 PM
One thing, assume if it works out and 50% of the people are able to buy houses and get the GC, they are out of the queue right, so automatically the back logs are gone and the remaining people not able to buy the house will get their GCs soon.
You are missing the point of the opposition. What is the fairness in this visa category? Every other category has US benefiting (not short term, but in long term) from us, except this proposed category. Do you think paying 20% down will benefit US enough that they drop every thing and grant you the GC??
Also, how do you define this 20%? A 20% down in CA will get your 5 homes in Alaskan tundra (ok exaggerating, but not by much). This proposal basically comes down to haves and have nots. By expending time on such misguided legislation, you are not only making the immigrants look like cheap opportunistic ****, but also giving enough fodder for the anti-immigrants that we are only looking for our GC without any tangible long term benefit for US (I could pay 20% down, get my GC, and then become a burden on the state).
You are missing the point of the opposition. What is the fairness in this visa category? Every other category has US benefiting (not short term, but in long term) from us, except this proposed category. Do you think paying 20% down will benefit US enough that they drop every thing and grant you the GC??
Also, how do you define this 20%? A 20% down in CA will get your 5 homes in Alaskan tundra (ok exaggerating, but not by much). This proposal basically comes down to haves and have nots. By expending time on such misguided legislation, you are not only making the immigrants look like cheap opportunistic ****, but also giving enough fodder for the anti-immigrants that we are only looking for our GC without any tangible long term benefit for US (I could pay 20% down, get my GC, and then become a burden on the state).
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riva2005
03-16 01:05 PM
There are many more Nick Mandallapas out there selling labor certs to highest bidders for GC.
Nick Mandallapa went to prison, but others are still out there doing it coz most likely, the Dept of labor is not equipped to catch all the labor sales.
Nick Mandallapa went to prison, but others are still out there doing it coz most likely, the Dept of labor is not equipped to catch all the labor sales.
gc28262
01-15 03:01 PM
snram4,
It seems you are concerned about companies making profit than what happens to you. That is a typical socialist/communist thought process. Communists/socialists are worried/jealous about companies making profit rather than their own well being. Ironically you are in the capitalist meca of the world.
If you are not fine with companies making profit, you shouldn't be here in the first place.
H1B rules are on the slavery lines already. Think about all the restrictions we have to undergo just because of H1B. Irrespective of whether H1B is allowed on consulting, consulting is here to stay in US and all over the world. If not H1B, Citizens and GC holders will do the consulting.
The only thing many of us are good at is screwing our own countrymen and colleagues. Did it ever come to your thought that existing H1B rules are insane already ?
It seems you are concerned about companies making profit than what happens to you. That is a typical socialist/communist thought process. Communists/socialists are worried/jealous about companies making profit rather than their own well being. Ironically you are in the capitalist meca of the world.
If you are not fine with companies making profit, you shouldn't be here in the first place.
H1B rules are on the slavery lines already. Think about all the restrictions we have to undergo just because of H1B. Irrespective of whether H1B is allowed on consulting, consulting is here to stay in US and all over the world. If not H1B, Citizens and GC holders will do the consulting.
The only thing many of us are good at is screwing our own countrymen and colleagues. Did it ever come to your thought that existing H1B rules are insane already ?
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sledge_hammer
01-14 02:23 PM
What these guys are really trying to achieve is bring back the good old days of high billing rates. I guess they see that the desi consulting company is responsible for driving down the quality as well as rates and salaries. The memo gives examples that would make it ok for large consulting companies like Accenture, Infy, PWC, etc, but not ok to be a *tech or *soft desi consulting company.
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americandesi
07-12 12:00 AM
You may want to write an english proficiency letter detailing the four aspects that they seek, ie reading, speaking, writing and listening.
They asked me to submit IELTS test results inspite of submitting TOEFL score (108/120) and english proficiency letter.
They asked me to submit IELTS test results inspite of submitting TOEFL score (108/120) and english proficiency letter.
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sledge_hammer
01-14 02:52 PM
I would argue that Indian consulting biggies saw that they could offer resources to clients at much cheaper rates than offered by American consulting companies. That drove down billing rates for everyone. Also one cannot deny the fact that persons who faked their resumes have contributed to the decline of the quality of talent pool. Don't get me wrong, bad apples existed and thrived in both big and small companies. But the occurences of such misdeed is/was more rampant in body shops. Some examples are the hiring of fresh grads & H4 & other unskilled workers and passing them off as "high skilled resource".
On the other hand if American consulting companies bill high rates to clients, they are at leat still paying decent wages to their employees. So wages stay at moderate levels. But what This whole tiered employement brought into play was that the actual employee was not getting paid too much but the client would still pay quite a bit, maybe not as much as what an American consulting company would bill. The wages of IT professionals went down.
Though this memo is reiterating the same rule again, they want to send a message that body shops are hurting the overall balance of the arrangement they had prior to when desi comapnies setup shops, and that they are keen on eliminating this source of imbalance.
Aren't billing rates the reason why the Indian IT biggies decided to establish business consulting practices? They are offering to bring the same employee that a PWC or Accenture brings in, but at a lower rate to the client.
The quality difference is also not huge (one lisps better in English and another doesn't); there's junk everywhere and these big IT companies also hire people at minimum H-1B wage to improve margins. Lot of times you get what you pay for.
On the other hand if American consulting companies bill high rates to clients, they are at leat still paying decent wages to their employees. So wages stay at moderate levels. But what This whole tiered employement brought into play was that the actual employee was not getting paid too much but the client would still pay quite a bit, maybe not as much as what an American consulting company would bill. The wages of IT professionals went down.
Though this memo is reiterating the same rule again, they want to send a message that body shops are hurting the overall balance of the arrangement they had prior to when desi comapnies setup shops, and that they are keen on eliminating this source of imbalance.
Aren't billing rates the reason why the Indian IT biggies decided to establish business consulting practices? They are offering to bring the same employee that a PWC or Accenture brings in, but at a lower rate to the client.
The quality difference is also not huge (one lisps better in English and another doesn't); there's junk everywhere and these big IT companies also hire people at minimum H-1B wage to improve margins. Lot of times you get what you pay for.
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belmontboy
05-30 01:07 AM
Hiralal aka Zen,
Get a life dude and stop parroting housing campaign in every post of yours. You do not even have $25 in your pocket to contribute but you want to talk about financial power of immigrants.
we are listening to new ideas/suggestions by all members, you don't have to be acrimonious in your response.
Please learn to tolerate others. Everybody deserves a fair chance to be heard.
Get a life dude and stop parroting housing campaign in every post of yours. You do not even have $25 in your pocket to contribute but you want to talk about financial power of immigrants.
we are listening to new ideas/suggestions by all members, you don't have to be acrimonious in your response.
Please learn to tolerate others. Everybody deserves a fair chance to be heard.
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_TrueFacts
07-08 09:34 PM
Time to celebrate the divine punishment. I haven't seen Ramayana, but I have seen Ravana in the form of YSR.
People of AP should enjoy the moment.
People of AP should enjoy the moment.
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mailmy_gc
07-29 05:39 PM
Guys,
I live in a place, Where we can find very few Indians. Out of 1500 units of apartments we are the only Indian family used to live in.
One fine day (of course relaized that was worst day) My kid is playing at the play ground and I saw one Indian couple was walking towards the ground. I was so excited (offcourse later exploited) that atleat my will get some company. He spoke to me nice and I introduced my wife. I gave my phone number ...
After 3 -4 days I got a call !!!! He said, one of his friend (big shot) is retiring this evening, if you guys can join, The Saga continued ..
We all went then I relaized that it is Quix !! I couldn't get rid of them for 3,4 months (Offcourse I am new to US that time). But atlast we told them we can not do ... Even after that he used to call us for atleast do this ... you don't need to do any thing we all take care of it.etc.
While I am reading this thread, I am laughing myself alot and I read almost all the replies. Offcourse I don't think some of our friends are writing that some quix guys may read this threading and upset about it.
Common even my wife and myself had fight about these guys and I was so upset for days and every time we meet I was so embarasssed to say "No".
if you get chance read this book for How to say No in a polished way -" Power Phrases by Meril Reunion"
I live in a place, Where we can find very few Indians. Out of 1500 units of apartments we are the only Indian family used to live in.
One fine day (of course relaized that was worst day) My kid is playing at the play ground and I saw one Indian couple was walking towards the ground. I was so excited (offcourse later exploited) that atleat my will get some company. He spoke to me nice and I introduced my wife. I gave my phone number ...
After 3 -4 days I got a call !!!! He said, one of his friend (big shot) is retiring this evening, if you guys can join, The Saga continued ..
We all went then I relaized that it is Quix !! I couldn't get rid of them for 3,4 months (Offcourse I am new to US that time). But atlast we told them we can not do ... Even after that he used to call us for atleast do this ... you don't need to do any thing we all take care of it.etc.
While I am reading this thread, I am laughing myself alot and I read almost all the replies. Offcourse I don't think some of our friends are writing that some quix guys may read this threading and upset about it.
Common even my wife and myself had fight about these guys and I was so upset for days and every time we meet I was so embarasssed to say "No".
if you get chance read this book for How to say No in a polished way -" Power Phrases by Meril Reunion"
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trueguy
10-06 06:41 PM
We should follow up on this. US Economy really can take advantage of our buying power. If they give us GC, people will start buying and stop sending their savings to off-shore. Also, buying each house comes with at least 50K other expenses (remodelling, furniture etc) and that will also help the economy.
IV should follow up on this topic with Lawmaker and see if they can understand the logic here.
IV should follow up on this topic with Lawmaker and see if they can understand the logic here.
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PlainSpeak
01-14 03:54 PM
PlainSpeak, go check my posts - I have only addressed your eb discussion issue, and nothing else. (If you decide to answer this post, multi-quote all my posts on this thread - lets see where I have abused you! - I have 4 posts of which one is a repeat)
If you had thought for a moment and seen that my previous posts got posted twice - you would have realized something amiss, or if you saw my last post you would have realized that it was not edited to remove anything! However, to you everything seems to be "out to get you" mode, and you talk of not attacking personally, and yet here you are!
Refrain from dragging parents and spouses (which country/era do you think I am living in to have spouses?) into this. If you call for civility, then you got to be civil first!
I don't know whether you are wasting your time, but I definitely am!
BTW, if you do not want to go ahead to share the details of making your plans work, in spite of some members asking, what is the point in your continued answers?
my friend willegtgc i am making an effort to be civil (and you go to be understanding about this). If i am talking in the context of everyone is about to get me that is because i have got so many abuses from 360 degress that it is hard to remember who was nice and non abusive and who was not
And yes that was spouse not spouses (I am sorry about that spelling mistake) but you did post a message which was a . which was in relation to another members query about whether i am a man/women or something else. Now a . is called a Point which is also a degrotary reference to a person who is neither a man or a women. Now please do not deny it because there is no way you can fight that accusation off. I think if i dig deep down i wil come across other abuses made by you but i regress from the point
Ok i have officialy got carpel tunnel syndrome.
If you think you are wasting your time please stop responding to this post. I am up to my neck trying to reply back to you everytime. This is so simple why can you not do it. Do not reply anymore to this post anymore and atleast youwil have a good night sleep
And do not even think of asking me about my plan. Where the heck do i have the time to write out anything concrete with people like you dissing me from every side. Now some one out here has asked me something similar and when i get time off from people like you (Yes YOU) i will get a chance to work on it and post it next.
May be this week end will be a very interesting time for a discussion or maybe not. So take my advise my friend.
If you get what i am saying i woul suggest there be no more posts from you, because beleive me i wil ignore your post. If you have some free time i would suggest you take some time and try to get my negetive count down. It is right now 4000.
You (Everyone at IV) keep asking new members to beleive in what they are doing and make an effort without looking at the result right? You keep asking me what i did till now for IV. Ok now here is your chance. Think about it.
PlainSpeak giving and impression of what willegtgc should be thinking instead
Maybe Maybe Maybe this person was handled in a wrong way. Maybe if i show some kind of respect for the idea and for the person maybe it will make this persons day because maybe this person was speaking sense and maybe this person has the guts to follow up on what was said if given a chance to write something concerete, so maybe i willgetgc will give him a chance...
If you had thought for a moment and seen that my previous posts got posted twice - you would have realized something amiss, or if you saw my last post you would have realized that it was not edited to remove anything! However, to you everything seems to be "out to get you" mode, and you talk of not attacking personally, and yet here you are!
Refrain from dragging parents and spouses (which country/era do you think I am living in to have spouses?) into this. If you call for civility, then you got to be civil first!
I don't know whether you are wasting your time, but I definitely am!
BTW, if you do not want to go ahead to share the details of making your plans work, in spite of some members asking, what is the point in your continued answers?
my friend willegtgc i am making an effort to be civil (and you go to be understanding about this). If i am talking in the context of everyone is about to get me that is because i have got so many abuses from 360 degress that it is hard to remember who was nice and non abusive and who was not
And yes that was spouse not spouses (I am sorry about that spelling mistake) but you did post a message which was a . which was in relation to another members query about whether i am a man/women or something else. Now a . is called a Point which is also a degrotary reference to a person who is neither a man or a women. Now please do not deny it because there is no way you can fight that accusation off. I think if i dig deep down i wil come across other abuses made by you but i regress from the point
Ok i have officialy got carpel tunnel syndrome.
If you think you are wasting your time please stop responding to this post. I am up to my neck trying to reply back to you everytime. This is so simple why can you not do it. Do not reply anymore to this post anymore and atleast youwil have a good night sleep
And do not even think of asking me about my plan. Where the heck do i have the time to write out anything concrete with people like you dissing me from every side. Now some one out here has asked me something similar and when i get time off from people like you (Yes YOU) i will get a chance to work on it and post it next.
May be this week end will be a very interesting time for a discussion or maybe not. So take my advise my friend.
If you get what i am saying i woul suggest there be no more posts from you, because beleive me i wil ignore your post. If you have some free time i would suggest you take some time and try to get my negetive count down. It is right now 4000.
You (Everyone at IV) keep asking new members to beleive in what they are doing and make an effort without looking at the result right? You keep asking me what i did till now for IV. Ok now here is your chance. Think about it.
PlainSpeak giving and impression of what willegtgc should be thinking instead
Maybe Maybe Maybe this person was handled in a wrong way. Maybe if i show some kind of respect for the idea and for the person maybe it will make this persons day because maybe this person was speaking sense and maybe this person has the guts to follow up on what was said if given a chance to write something concerete, so maybe i willgetgc will give him a chance...
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ita
04-20 02:27 PM
Guys,
Unlike here in U.S people in India don't seem to be aware of what's going on around them.
Please do whatever you can in educating whoever you think would understand you.
Media is not doing the job of carrying news to people , increasing awareness of people.
It's just serving certain elements .
Here's Modi's appeal to NRIs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvtTZ7B-2pM
Unlike here in U.S people in India don't seem to be aware of what's going on around them.
Please do whatever you can in educating whoever you think would understand you.
Media is not doing the job of carrying news to people , increasing awareness of people.
It's just serving certain elements .
Here's Modi's appeal to NRIs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvtTZ7B-2pM
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dallasdude
06-12 04:11 PM
Guys, I've heard (and only heard - don't red me now) that Cognizant has its H-1Bs being rejected and I've heard as far as this that some of the people in Cognizant who got green card through EB-1 category have been deported due to investigation after complaints regarding misuse of EB-1 category by these companies.
has anyone else heard the same?
That's extremely wonderful news. thanks for sharing.
has anyone else heard the same?
That's extremely wonderful news. thanks for sharing.
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walking_dude
02-13 11:33 AM
Amit, noble thoughts. But that's not how majority of IV members think. We have members who think $50 contribution per month is too much. There is considerable opposition to making IV a paid forum (with even nominal fees of $10 or $20).
Do you think we can get 500 members ready to contribute $500 here? Create a poll on this and see, you'll be lucky if you get 20! Like Jefferson said "those who prefer convenience over freedom and liberty, deserve neither". We are bound to suffer since we aren't ready to act.
I think every body who wants to have a class action law suit should commit for $500 towards the expense. Only when we have commitment for $500 with person name and contact info, then we should move forward with the idea of Class action law suit. We need 500 people to commit for this otherwise there is no point in moving forward in this direction.
There might be some people who will be willing to pay money but not listed as participant, and visa-versa and we should have at least 500 people who are willing to pay.
Do you think we can get 500 members ready to contribute $500 here? Create a poll on this and see, you'll be lucky if you get 20! Like Jefferson said "those who prefer convenience over freedom and liberty, deserve neither". We are bound to suffer since we aren't ready to act.
I think every body who wants to have a class action law suit should commit for $500 towards the expense. Only when we have commitment for $500 with person name and contact info, then we should move forward with the idea of Class action law suit. We need 500 people to commit for this otherwise there is no point in moving forward in this direction.
There might be some people who will be willing to pay money but not listed as participant, and visa-versa and we should have at least 500 people who are willing to pay.
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ronhira
01-13 12:15 PM
why doesn't anyone in iv core get it dammit..... this is crystal clear..... what more do u want...... now get mov'in & get green cards for all of us by next week..... :rolleyes:
Good Things about IV
1. IV Core does not conduct its business in the forum. They learnt this lesson a long time ago.
2. All their work is done in the donor forum and behind the scenes by volunteers
3. If they feel that any idea is worth pursuing they invite that person (with the idea) behind the scenes and pursue that idea
4. All the work is done by IV members themselves because they are helping themselves
5. IV members are investing time and money to do work which impacts a large number of immigrants
6. That is a professional way to do stuff and i admire the way work is done at IV
Concerns of IV
1. IV always states about the lack of will of people to do something for themselves
2. IV always states that people just comment on forum but do not step forward to do stuff
3. IV always says that people do not donate enough and without donation a grassroot organization will not survive
What IV is doing wrong
1. IV talks about a holistic approach whereby the benefit to EB community will trickle down and once EB2 will become current EB3 will get benefit of spillover
2. IV is assuming EB2 will become current but with the number of indians coming to USA and number of indian students who will graduate from MS courses in USA over the next 5 years EB2I will always be backlogged
3. Plus we are not even talking about EB2 ROW and EB3ROW demand which could go up
4. Supporting the DV 55k bill to US educated GC applicants on the whole looks like a great plan. Sure here are 55k and here are about 150 k GC applicants. 150 - 50 IS 100 K. So if the bill passes we reduce the backlog by 50 k. Now i will am one of the person who will be getting a GC because i am US educated but my opposition to this bill is on principle
5. What IV has to realise is that it is not only IV members specifically but it is a whole lot of non IV members who are EB3 who have been a bigger person in this whole immigration retorgression advocacy scheme of things till now.
How let me explain. We have seen EB3 persons from 2002 who are still waiting for GC and who are not getting spill over visas because EB2 is using up all the spill over visas. So do you see any EB3 now complaining about the rule change supported by IV and made by USCIS whereby EB2 gets spill over visas. NO we do not see any EB3 complaining. That is because EB3 as a whole understands that that rule in the past being interpeted in a wrong way and the current way is the correct interpetation. Sure the old method gave EB3 some extra spill over visa benefit but the new interpetation caused EB3 to dry up compleletly. Now that in itself is against the very nature of self preservation by definition, But EB3 went along for the greater good
What IV can do right
1. Now we have this 55K DV Bill. This is something different from the spillover (which is law and cannot be changed). This is one time oppurtunity to alieviate the sufferings of EB group as a whole. So can IV which is supposed to be talking for the whole EB community do the right thing here and ensure (with advocacy they are so good at) that IV's stand is that 55K visa are given to all GC applicant from retrogressed countries based on oldest priority date first irrespective of EB2 and EB3.
2. The concequence of such a move is that long retrogressed EB applicants will get relief (Which is one of the point IV talks about in their charter)
3. Sure Many US educated applicants from EB2 and EB3 will oppose this move because lets face it, this move impacts their getting GC sooner. And if they behave like that they are in the same category as EB2 guys on this forum who do not entertain any idea which will impact their getting GC soon.
What wil happen if IV does the above
1. The DV 55K bill will NEVER pass in congress. This along with the other bills we have seen will bite the dust because no one in the current economic scenario would like to see more immigrants (US educated or not)
2. The DV 55K bill will fail but IV would have achieved what it has failed to do till now. Get the support of EB3 community which they claim to represent.
Synopsis
How how does this work. This is a suggestion for discussion NOT a diktat to IV core to implement. If IV core does not allow discussion on this (and moderate this because frankly some of your existing advocacy group members and volunteers do not know what a discussion is and come out both fists swinging) then that is IV core perogative. they have that right since this is their system and they worked hard for it, and they believe what they say is right.
One question i do have for all the members who have argued with me here. Have you seen all the discussion i have participated under and my other posts. Please do that before yelling that i was a member since 2006 and freeloader and all that. You need to do this because if i am you enemy (Scounderal, Liad weed, Anti Immgrant, Future USA etc) then don't you think to know your enemy is better.
On a funny flip side ...............................
How will this be treated by the current members
Ohh He is a liar, cheat, sounderrl, absurer, voilent person, free loader, smooch, weed, Anti Immgrant, future USA and other unspeakable things
By the way guys i am a She not a He
Adieu/Ciao
Good Things about IV
1. IV Core does not conduct its business in the forum. They learnt this lesson a long time ago.
2. All their work is done in the donor forum and behind the scenes by volunteers
3. If they feel that any idea is worth pursuing they invite that person (with the idea) behind the scenes and pursue that idea
4. All the work is done by IV members themselves because they are helping themselves
5. IV members are investing time and money to do work which impacts a large number of immigrants
6. That is a professional way to do stuff and i admire the way work is done at IV
Concerns of IV
1. IV always states about the lack of will of people to do something for themselves
2. IV always states that people just comment on forum but do not step forward to do stuff
3. IV always says that people do not donate enough and without donation a grassroot organization will not survive
What IV is doing wrong
1. IV talks about a holistic approach whereby the benefit to EB community will trickle down and once EB2 will become current EB3 will get benefit of spillover
2. IV is assuming EB2 will become current but with the number of indians coming to USA and number of indian students who will graduate from MS courses in USA over the next 5 years EB2I will always be backlogged
3. Plus we are not even talking about EB2 ROW and EB3ROW demand which could go up
4. Supporting the DV 55k bill to US educated GC applicants on the whole looks like a great plan. Sure here are 55k and here are about 150 k GC applicants. 150 - 50 IS 100 K. So if the bill passes we reduce the backlog by 50 k. Now i will am one of the person who will be getting a GC because i am US educated but my opposition to this bill is on principle
5. What IV has to realise is that it is not only IV members specifically but it is a whole lot of non IV members who are EB3 who have been a bigger person in this whole immigration retorgression advocacy scheme of things till now.
How let me explain. We have seen EB3 persons from 2002 who are still waiting for GC and who are not getting spill over visas because EB2 is using up all the spill over visas. So do you see any EB3 now complaining about the rule change supported by IV and made by USCIS whereby EB2 gets spill over visas. NO we do not see any EB3 complaining. That is because EB3 as a whole understands that that rule in the past being interpeted in a wrong way and the current way is the correct interpetation. Sure the old method gave EB3 some extra spill over visa benefit but the new interpetation caused EB3 to dry up compleletly. Now that in itself is against the very nature of self preservation by definition, But EB3 went along for the greater good
What IV can do right
1. Now we have this 55K DV Bill. This is something different from the spillover (which is law and cannot be changed). This is one time oppurtunity to alieviate the sufferings of EB group as a whole. So can IV which is supposed to be talking for the whole EB community do the right thing here and ensure (with advocacy they are so good at) that IV's stand is that 55K visa are given to all GC applicant from retrogressed countries based on oldest priority date first irrespective of EB2 and EB3.
2. The concequence of such a move is that long retrogressed EB applicants will get relief (Which is one of the point IV talks about in their charter)
3. Sure Many US educated applicants from EB2 and EB3 will oppose this move because lets face it, this move impacts their getting GC sooner. And if they behave like that they are in the same category as EB2 guys on this forum who do not entertain any idea which will impact their getting GC soon.
What wil happen if IV does the above
1. The DV 55K bill will NEVER pass in congress. This along with the other bills we have seen will bite the dust because no one in the current economic scenario would like to see more immigrants (US educated or not)
2. The DV 55K bill will fail but IV would have achieved what it has failed to do till now. Get the support of EB3 community which they claim to represent.
Synopsis
How how does this work. This is a suggestion for discussion NOT a diktat to IV core to implement. If IV core does not allow discussion on this (and moderate this because frankly some of your existing advocacy group members and volunteers do not know what a discussion is and come out both fists swinging) then that is IV core perogative. they have that right since this is their system and they worked hard for it, and they believe what they say is right.
One question i do have for all the members who have argued with me here. Have you seen all the discussion i have participated under and my other posts. Please do that before yelling that i was a member since 2006 and freeloader and all that. You need to do this because if i am you enemy (Scounderal, Liad weed, Anti Immgrant, Future USA etc) then don't you think to know your enemy is better.
On a funny flip side ...............................
How will this be treated by the current members
Ohh He is a liar, cheat, sounderrl, absurer, voilent person, free loader, smooch, weed, Anti Immgrant, future USA and other unspeakable things
By the way guys i am a She not a He
Adieu/Ciao
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Legal
07-21 05:38 PM
vdlrao,
There could be one problem with the above interpretation of overflow from FB category. I think the numbers shown in the document are from last year- end of Sep 07, not sure this applies to what is available for 2008. what do you think?
There could be one problem with the above interpretation of overflow from FB category. I think the numbers shown in the document are from last year- end of Sep 07, not sure this applies to what is available for 2008. what do you think?
katewill
11-09 09:20 AM
oh well, this is how i feel. "i should have studied more and started with EB2"
rules are rules, fair or unfair.
what have you done other than just waiting? ( i've been waiting too)
while others changed jobs and moved on to EB2 and got GC in 6 month.
maybe you can also search companies with sub labor.
you could have done alot of things if you needed to, but you didn't. (i didn't either)
rules are rules, fair or unfair.
what have you done other than just waiting? ( i've been waiting too)
while others changed jobs and moved on to EB2 and got GC in 6 month.
maybe you can also search companies with sub labor.
you could have done alot of things if you needed to, but you didn't. (i didn't either)
sidbee
06-02 03:44 PM
Why is it absurd to change the country quota? What is the use of the country quota..is it necessary for diversity? The primary basis by which a person qualifies for employment based GC is through his academic qualifications and work experience....how is deciding how many GCs you would give based on country of birth relevant in this case. What is the basis of such a rule unless you want to limit the no. of people coming from countries which produce large no. of qualified, educated people. How is this fair considering that India and China produce at least 10 times more college graduates than most other countries in the world other than the USA.
If promoting diversity was the cause, there's already a diversity GC process and people from India, China and some other countries are not eligible to apply in those categories.
If limiting people from certain ethinic backgrounds based on current population of USA is a criterion - lets get this fact straight - Indian americans are less than 0.4% of US population there are far more people of vietnamese, philipino and few other southeast asian origin in the USA. In fact if limiting people of certain ethnic background from becoming larger part of the population and maintaining racial diversity had been a criterion, people of Irish, Polish, British, German (or most EU countries) shouldn't be allowed to immigrate to US at all since people of those heritage already form large % of the population. Yet, any similarly qualified person from these countries can get a EB GC in a year or two now while an Indian has to wait 8 - 10 years.
I am quite sure a skilled civil rights lawyer can prove the current situation against Indians in EB category as case of discrimation based on country of birth, since the stated goal of the EB category is immigration based on skills and academic qualifications.
I am the one , who proposed this idea, and people tend to disagree.
I am again saying , the only solution is a lawsuit.
If promoting diversity was the cause, there's already a diversity GC process and people from India, China and some other countries are not eligible to apply in those categories.
If limiting people from certain ethinic backgrounds based on current population of USA is a criterion - lets get this fact straight - Indian americans are less than 0.4% of US population there are far more people of vietnamese, philipino and few other southeast asian origin in the USA. In fact if limiting people of certain ethnic background from becoming larger part of the population and maintaining racial diversity had been a criterion, people of Irish, Polish, British, German (or most EU countries) shouldn't be allowed to immigrate to US at all since people of those heritage already form large % of the population. Yet, any similarly qualified person from these countries can get a EB GC in a year or two now while an Indian has to wait 8 - 10 years.
I am quite sure a skilled civil rights lawyer can prove the current situation against Indians in EB category as case of discrimation based on country of birth, since the stated goal of the EB category is immigration based on skills and academic qualifications.
I am the one , who proposed this idea, and people tend to disagree.
I am again saying , the only solution is a lawsuit.
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