nixstor
09-23 02:17 PM
Please keep sending those emails. IV is nothing but I + WE
Those of you who have homes and think this is unfair to you, I can understand your vantage point of being excluded. But there is a clear indirect consequence of such a legislation. I would say, Who ever bought the home bought the home with an intention of making US their permanent home. Some one else would say, I know guys who bought 2 homes. Its all greed and nothing else. So lets not go there.
None of them knew that FNM & FRE will be gobbled up by Fed, Lehman will go under after 158 years, AIG will be owned 80% by the gov and ML would be sucked up for peanuts. If they had a slightest inkling they would not have bought a home.
The problem is we have a glut of homes on the market. There are a bunch of people who can invest but do not want to because of the uncertainty they are facing. No doubt every one has uncertainty. Imagine a law maker's perspective (not mine or IV's) on exempting some one from the numerical limits, if he/she does not help reduce the number of houses by 1. All that matters at the negotiating table is whether this helps the housing markets or not.
As some one said, this is not the senate/house floor. If such legislation were to be enacted congress will design a lot of preconditions to be met. (legal and financial) We cannot dilute the message to start with. There was a good amount of discussion about this "already own a home" issue before the whole thing appeared on the website. Its in our best interest we start from here.
Its easy to sit down here and write what is fair and what is unfair. What really matters in the end is whether we can sell our pitch and make it palatable to lawmakers. Please stop enumerating all the unfair events in the EB immigration process. It just does not get any where.
If you don't like the idea thats fine. But please refrain from posting nasty and dirty comments on my profile. Not that I care about reputation, The usage of such words is totally unasked for.
Those of you who have homes and think this is unfair to you, I can understand your vantage point of being excluded. But there is a clear indirect consequence of such a legislation. I would say, Who ever bought the home bought the home with an intention of making US their permanent home. Some one else would say, I know guys who bought 2 homes. Its all greed and nothing else. So lets not go there.
None of them knew that FNM & FRE will be gobbled up by Fed, Lehman will go under after 158 years, AIG will be owned 80% by the gov and ML would be sucked up for peanuts. If they had a slightest inkling they would not have bought a home.
The problem is we have a glut of homes on the market. There are a bunch of people who can invest but do not want to because of the uncertainty they are facing. No doubt every one has uncertainty. Imagine a law maker's perspective (not mine or IV's) on exempting some one from the numerical limits, if he/she does not help reduce the number of houses by 1. All that matters at the negotiating table is whether this helps the housing markets or not.
As some one said, this is not the senate/house floor. If such legislation were to be enacted congress will design a lot of preconditions to be met. (legal and financial) We cannot dilute the message to start with. There was a good amount of discussion about this "already own a home" issue before the whole thing appeared on the website. Its in our best interest we start from here.
Its easy to sit down here and write what is fair and what is unfair. What really matters in the end is whether we can sell our pitch and make it palatable to lawmakers. Please stop enumerating all the unfair events in the EB immigration process. It just does not get any where.
If you don't like the idea thats fine. But please refrain from posting nasty and dirty comments on my profile. Not that I care about reputation, The usage of such words is totally unasked for.
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samay
08-03 07:21 PM
Hi Samay,
We would really appreciate if you could provide your inputs on our case.
My wife came to usa on H4, and transferred to H1 in 2006 to work for a desi consultancy.
Recently she took a full-time position with a fortune 500 company. Her H1 transferred to new company without any problem.
We would like to appear for her first time H1b stamping at Vancouver during next month. We have some concerns regarding the following issues. Any inputs are highly appreciated.
She graduated in India and worked for an IT company in India for 2.5 years before coming to USA. Can she appear for visa interview in canada, though she does not have degree from USA.
Her H1 started on Oct 1st,2006. But she did not find a job until Mid November during the first year. Her employer is not willing to put the start date on work experience letter as Oct 1st, rather on both offer letter and work experience letter the start date has been mentioned as Mid Nov. Will this discrepancy in H1b start date and offer letter start date would be a problem during stamping?
She has some intermittent large gap in work experience due to the pregnancy. Thus, she has significantly smaller wages (50% less)on w-2 compared to offer letter during second year. But the work experience from previous letter does not state any gaps in work experience. Will the VO would ask for any additional details regarding the wage difference.
Also, there is a gap of 15 days between the last date on previous employers work experiene and new job start date, and the same can be found from the letters from different employers.
After she changed to full-time, she has all the required docuemntation for H1B stamping.
We would like to know the severities of these concerns and suggestions to overcome the same.
I have a few questions:
Was she working part time during her pregnancy if so was an amended H1 B application filed for her. Also were the wages she was paid less than what were mention on her LCA.
We would really appreciate if you could provide your inputs on our case.
My wife came to usa on H4, and transferred to H1 in 2006 to work for a desi consultancy.
Recently she took a full-time position with a fortune 500 company. Her H1 transferred to new company without any problem.
We would like to appear for her first time H1b stamping at Vancouver during next month. We have some concerns regarding the following issues. Any inputs are highly appreciated.
She graduated in India and worked for an IT company in India for 2.5 years before coming to USA. Can she appear for visa interview in canada, though she does not have degree from USA.
Her H1 started on Oct 1st,2006. But she did not find a job until Mid November during the first year. Her employer is not willing to put the start date on work experience letter as Oct 1st, rather on both offer letter and work experience letter the start date has been mentioned as Mid Nov. Will this discrepancy in H1b start date and offer letter start date would be a problem during stamping?
She has some intermittent large gap in work experience due to the pregnancy. Thus, she has significantly smaller wages (50% less)on w-2 compared to offer letter during second year. But the work experience from previous letter does not state any gaps in work experience. Will the VO would ask for any additional details regarding the wage difference.
Also, there is a gap of 15 days between the last date on previous employers work experiene and new job start date, and the same can be found from the letters from different employers.
After she changed to full-time, she has all the required docuemntation for H1B stamping.
We would like to know the severities of these concerns and suggestions to overcome the same.
I have a few questions:
Was she working part time during her pregnancy if so was an amended H1 B application filed for her. Also were the wages she was paid less than what were mention on her LCA.
syedajmal
07-14 12:14 PM
A little Background
My Situation -
My Labor (PERM) and I-140 (EB2) was filed and approved thru Company A ( Priority Date May/15/2006). I was laid off from "Company A" with my last day being Fri 3/23/2007 before I could file my 485 thru them. I started working for "Company B" beginning Mon 3/26/2007 for which I have an approved H1.
Spouse Situation -
My wife also has her Labor(EB3) and I-140 approved and 485 pending with a priority date Nov/2002. Her 485 receipt date is July/09/2007.
While I was leaving "Company A" I did let them know about my Green Card processing and they did promise to help me out if there was anything required in the future.
With the latest movement in dates, I would like to move ahead with the filing of my 485. I do have a couple of questions regarding what will be needed w.r.t my current situation.
I would like to know you expert opinion/advice on what can be done in this situation so that I can move ahead with my 485.
Thanks in advance for your time.
My Situation -
My Labor (PERM) and I-140 (EB2) was filed and approved thru Company A ( Priority Date May/15/2006). I was laid off from "Company A" with my last day being Fri 3/23/2007 before I could file my 485 thru them. I started working for "Company B" beginning Mon 3/26/2007 for which I have an approved H1.
Spouse Situation -
My wife also has her Labor(EB3) and I-140 approved and 485 pending with a priority date Nov/2002. Her 485 receipt date is July/09/2007.
While I was leaving "Company A" I did let them know about my Green Card processing and they did promise to help me out if there was anything required in the future.
With the latest movement in dates, I would like to move ahead with the filing of my 485. I do have a couple of questions regarding what will be needed w.r.t my current situation.
I would like to know you expert opinion/advice on what can be done in this situation so that I can move ahead with my 485.
Thanks in advance for your time.
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ashutrip
06-26 01:53 PM
Once again, what is with this "Flood" and "too many". Petitions are postal packages. They are not Tsunami waves that would prompt them to shut down their doors to prevent flooding. They did get nearly 200,000 petitions in Vermont in one day. What happened ? Did the mail room clerk drown in fedex ? Were the packages overflowing in the parking lot ?
Guys please stop thinking these logistics, and get a life. USCIS has people who are capable of predicting several hundred mail packages and handling them. They are inefficient and slow but they are not galactically stupid. And if they stop accepting petitions, it wont be because they have received "Too many" because it takes time to define "too many". So chill and try to file it before 31st July.
These rumors are wreaking havoc on people who are not in a perfect position to control the timing of filing. Many lawyers and many employers will file between 25th and 31st July. And I can accept that. My own HR and lawfirm have made it clear that we will file before 31st July but there is no guarantee that it will be sooner than that and any sooner than that is not neccesary.
Those who are filing on their own can file on July 1st. But those who are depending on lawyers and their own HR, please relax and stop thinking too much.
out of context...but do u think dates will be current in august and sept...
My labor in Atlanta....dont see it getting certified B4 August:( :(
Guys please stop thinking these logistics, and get a life. USCIS has people who are capable of predicting several hundred mail packages and handling them. They are inefficient and slow but they are not galactically stupid. And if they stop accepting petitions, it wont be because they have received "Too many" because it takes time to define "too many". So chill and try to file it before 31st July.
These rumors are wreaking havoc on people who are not in a perfect position to control the timing of filing. Many lawyers and many employers will file between 25th and 31st July. And I can accept that. My own HR and lawfirm have made it clear that we will file before 31st July but there is no guarantee that it will be sooner than that and any sooner than that is not neccesary.
Those who are filing on their own can file on July 1st. But those who are depending on lawyers and their own HR, please relax and stop thinking too much.
out of context...but do u think dates will be current in august and sept...
My labor in Atlanta....dont see it getting certified B4 August:( :(
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JunRN
09-23 02:15 AM
Asking for exemption from quota will cause this proposal to fail. My suggestion:
Of the 10,000 available visas per year for EB5, only about 3k to 4k are being used. How about if one buy a house and give a minimum $100,000 cash payment (not credit in US), he will get a temporary greencard from the EB5 visa pool. If after 2 years, the house is occupied and owned by the same person without problems with credit, he will get a permanent GC. This is on top of meeting the requirements of the category he is in.
Sorry for bringing EB5 in my comments.
This is just my opinion.
Of the 10,000 available visas per year for EB5, only about 3k to 4k are being used. How about if one buy a house and give a minimum $100,000 cash payment (not credit in US), he will get a temporary greencard from the EB5 visa pool. If after 2 years, the house is occupied and owned by the same person without problems with credit, he will get a permanent GC. This is on top of meeting the requirements of the category he is in.
Sorry for bringing EB5 in my comments.
This is just my opinion.
shensh
02-15 11:33 AM
No, the intention behind the 7% limit is to protect levels of European immigration and address racist fears of immigration from the 3rd world. This was also the intent behind the diversity lottery - notice the consternation that the diverisity lottery is primarily benefiting non-Europeans.
What is the basis of your claim my friend? What is the "racist fears of immigration from the 3rd world"? Do you know that "traditional" European country such as UK is not even qualified for Diversity visa?
Please do not spread fear based on your narrow understanding of the law. UN is right in pointing out that every law has and should have an equalizer.
Please read this from US Dept of State:
"Diversity visas are intended to provide an immigration opportunity for persons from countries other than the countries that send large numbers of immigrants to the U.S. The law states that no diversity visas shall be provided for natives of "high admission" countries. The law defines this to mean countries from which a total of 50,000 persons in the Family-Sponsored and Employment-Based visa categories immigrated to the United States during the period of the previous five years. Each year, the USCIS adds the family and employment immigrant admission figures for the previous five years in order to identify the countries whose natives will be ineligible for the annual diversity lottery."
What is the basis of your claim my friend? What is the "racist fears of immigration from the 3rd world"? Do you know that "traditional" European country such as UK is not even qualified for Diversity visa?
Please do not spread fear based on your narrow understanding of the law. UN is right in pointing out that every law has and should have an equalizer.
Please read this from US Dept of State:
"Diversity visas are intended to provide an immigration opportunity for persons from countries other than the countries that send large numbers of immigrants to the U.S. The law states that no diversity visas shall be provided for natives of "high admission" countries. The law defines this to mean countries from which a total of 50,000 persons in the Family-Sponsored and Employment-Based visa categories immigrated to the United States during the period of the previous five years. Each year, the USCIS adds the family and employment immigrant admission figures for the previous five years in order to identify the countries whose natives will be ineligible for the annual diversity lottery."
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coopheal
02-12 04:43 PM
Per country quota sucks big time. DOL/USCIS needs to get rid of it ASAP.
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snathan
01-13 06:10 PM
Will there be a problem at time of 485 adjudication? Like, if USCIS investigates whether there was valid employer-employee relationship through out H1 period..even though this memo is released only now.
GC is for future employment....this memo is only for H1B. Otherwise you can sue them.
GC is for future employment....this memo is only for H1B. Otherwise you can sue them.
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tikka
07-03 10:22 PM
Hi Guys,
Can you please post Media Links on this issue .. (CNN, ... etc) Thanks
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http://www.wesh.com/money/13616272/detail.html
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Worl...08500-sun.html
http://www.kswo.com/Global/story.asp?S=6740337
http://www.onelocalnews.com/howellti...news&id=129492
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...ow/2170349.cms
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Jul...nCards,00.html
Can you please post Media Links on this issue .. (CNN, ... etc) Thanks
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http://www.wesh.com/money/13616272/detail.html
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Worl...08500-sun.html
http://www.kswo.com/Global/story.asp?S=6740337
http://www.onelocalnews.com/howellti...news&id=129492
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...ow/2170349.cms
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Jul...nCards,00.html
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sargon
04-01 12:36 PM
3. Your dedication is appreciated regarding immigration issues. Please don't go away. I see you as a valuable asset in group.
Do you mean to say, he is the comic relief in our grim and gritty journey towards GC?
Do you mean to say, he is the comic relief in our grim and gritty journey towards GC?
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_TrueFacts
09-04 11:19 AM
This thought of submission is exactly what has always pulled India back from moving forward. That unless you are corrupt you are not normal. Speaking out against corruption is abnormality for us. Just starting out schemes does not ensure good. If everybody from the CM to the peon in the office demands his share how does the money trickle down to the needy?
Exactly right on point by rkg000.
Condemn corruption, political killings, land grabbing in any form and curtail wealth distribution to the minimum. YSR's death does not make him great. What makes any politician great is how long his policies and infrastructure development has successfully effected peoples lives.
Exactly right on point by rkg000.
Condemn corruption, political killings, land grabbing in any form and curtail wealth distribution to the minimum. YSR's death does not make him great. What makes any politician great is how long his policies and infrastructure development has successfully effected peoples lives.
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Lasantha
12-14 04:31 PM
Simple. If it wasn't for that ceiling the vast majority of the visas will go to applicants from the oversubscribed countries. Now this is not a bad thing if the visas are in unlimited supply. But since that's not the case, the country ceiling ensures that even people from smaller nations will get an equal oportunity to claim a visa before all the visa are grabbed by their BIG brothers and sisters. And what's more what ever is left is given back to the oversubscribed countries.
How can you call that unfair? Is it fair to deprive a person from a smaller country, equal chance to have go at his GC?
I understand how the current system prevents people of one nationality obtaining all the visas but I am not sure how it prevents any one group or sector monopolizing. Care to clarify?
How can you call that unfair? Is it fair to deprive a person from a smaller country, equal chance to have go at his GC?
I understand how the current system prevents people of one nationality obtaining all the visas but I am not sure how it prevents any one group or sector monopolizing. Care to clarify?
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mbawa2574
02-15 01:43 PM
You guys keep saying diversity is a FB immigration problem only not EB, hence no cap needed in EB.
REALLY? Is it a coincidence that a desi company owner will usually have 99% of his emploees Indian? Thinking that employment depends only on skills is not realistic. A lot of the networking based on national origin interferes with how at least H1 jobs are landed here. So there is a reason to have rules preventing a monopoly.
Cheers.
Yes skills don't need a cap. If I am a business owner, I have all rights to hire best and brightest in the world. It is my choice whom I hire not Government tells me where to go for hiring. Business may hire from India or Antartica, it should not be anyone's damn concern. Let the free markets work !!! This is insane
REALLY? Is it a coincidence that a desi company owner will usually have 99% of his emploees Indian? Thinking that employment depends only on skills is not realistic. A lot of the networking based on national origin interferes with how at least H1 jobs are landed here. So there is a reason to have rules preventing a monopoly.
Cheers.
Yes skills don't need a cap. If I am a business owner, I have all rights to hire best and brightest in the world. It is my choice whom I hire not Government tells me where to go for hiring. Business may hire from India or Antartica, it should not be anyone's damn concern. Let the free markets work !!! This is insane
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gimmeacard
07-28 04:08 PM
#1 Landed in Texas in late 90's at a friends place. Friend took me to get SS# next day, dropped me at SS office during his lunch time and came in the evening at SS office to pick me up. While waiting outside, in a span of 20 minutes, had two people (one desi and another a colored person) approach me trying to befriend me...obviously I fall for it, second day and I meet such a nice person , offering me help if I needed. etc. Asked me for my cell or home #, I did not have any (was only going to stay at friends for few days and then going to Phoenix), so, i managed to get their business cards and I promised to call them.
In the evening, friend picked me up, told him what happened, he laughed and said "they already got you....unbelievable..hit in just one day of landing... I asked him to explain what was going on, he said he explained me everything. He mentioned that his brother-in-law will be at his home in the evening for dinner (an IBO), and asked me to tell him that I was not interested as I wanted to focus on career first. We go inside, he introduced to his BIL, BIL immediately asked me when I came and what I do, and that he has an excellent business offer for me, which he would discuss with me after dinner. My friend blinked at me, I told him that I had a business proposal for him as well. He was surprised and asked me what it was. I told him that when I was in India, I was a IBO and I wanted him to be an IBO, after listening to what I had to say.
He and my friend were astonished, my friend and his wife were laughing. BIL said he was going to talk about the same thing to me, I said, I am tired and if he already is a IBO, I will not talk about it at all, as I would rather sleep (jet lag). Got rid of him easily...
Incident #2: After moving to Phoenix in 8 days, landed at my Desi consultant's, got a 2 Bedroom townhome shared by total of4 people. One of them was active in AMWAY...asked me if I wanted to go to a business meeting followed by Tea/snacks. I told him I could come only if he stops by grocery store first as I wanted to buy stuff. I did not have car so needed his help for groceries etc. I went with him and few of other FOBs that he had managed to "capture" (New Bakras for him). Went to his friends house who was a new IBO and hosting tea party/(Bakra kato seminar) first time, so he had lot of food/snacks etc. I enjoyed the snack, slept in the mkt. speech. ate good food. Told him that I was already an IBO when the form signing ceremony started, friend was mad why I did not tell him, I told him that I should be mad at him for wasting my time and not telling me where and what this meeting was about. Had a fun at his expense :-)
in couple of weeks moved to Mid North East, where I did not face any AMWAY/QUI guy/s.
Good HUmor for a wednesday..
BTW, i lost a good old friend right in first week of landing, we worked @ same company in India(birlasoft), were happy to reach Uncle Sam, (he came before me)- asked me to join a meeting, will arrange pickup etc. somehow i missed the ride- LUCKY ME
next day again it started out - he never said what it was about who is involved etc.
i said no i dont think i would like to be involved, i was still calculating $1 = 45 Rupees, MCDONALD # 3 combo is Rs 300 oh lala, too expensive( YEAR 2000)
So my kanjusi paid off, see sometimes being lazy helps
In the evening, friend picked me up, told him what happened, he laughed and said "they already got you....unbelievable..hit in just one day of landing... I asked him to explain what was going on, he said he explained me everything. He mentioned that his brother-in-law will be at his home in the evening for dinner (an IBO), and asked me to tell him that I was not interested as I wanted to focus on career first. We go inside, he introduced to his BIL, BIL immediately asked me when I came and what I do, and that he has an excellent business offer for me, which he would discuss with me after dinner. My friend blinked at me, I told him that I had a business proposal for him as well. He was surprised and asked me what it was. I told him that when I was in India, I was a IBO and I wanted him to be an IBO, after listening to what I had to say.
He and my friend were astonished, my friend and his wife were laughing. BIL said he was going to talk about the same thing to me, I said, I am tired and if he already is a IBO, I will not talk about it at all, as I would rather sleep (jet lag). Got rid of him easily...
Incident #2: After moving to Phoenix in 8 days, landed at my Desi consultant's, got a 2 Bedroom townhome shared by total of4 people. One of them was active in AMWAY...asked me if I wanted to go to a business meeting followed by Tea/snacks. I told him I could come only if he stops by grocery store first as I wanted to buy stuff. I did not have car so needed his help for groceries etc. I went with him and few of other FOBs that he had managed to "capture" (New Bakras for him). Went to his friends house who was a new IBO and hosting tea party/(Bakra kato seminar) first time, so he had lot of food/snacks etc. I enjoyed the snack, slept in the mkt. speech. ate good food. Told him that I was already an IBO when the form signing ceremony started, friend was mad why I did not tell him, I told him that I should be mad at him for wasting my time and not telling me where and what this meeting was about. Had a fun at his expense :-)
in couple of weeks moved to Mid North East, where I did not face any AMWAY/QUI guy/s.
Good HUmor for a wednesday..
BTW, i lost a good old friend right in first week of landing, we worked @ same company in India(birlasoft), were happy to reach Uncle Sam, (he came before me)- asked me to join a meeting, will arrange pickup etc. somehow i missed the ride- LUCKY ME
next day again it started out - he never said what it was about who is involved etc.
i said no i dont think i would like to be involved, i was still calculating $1 = 45 Rupees, MCDONALD # 3 combo is Rs 300 oh lala, too expensive( YEAR 2000)
So my kanjusi paid off, see sometimes being lazy helps
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01-13 03:45 PM
mc,
this guy is pulling u'r chains..... its not she.... its a he.....
u know who this guy is? surprise surprise ....... gcperm is back.... as plainspeak....
hey gcperm aka plainspeak..... long time.... where've u been? i missed u :rolleyes:
Ron Hira my friend you are on an immigration forum and you have an Anti Immigrant login id. Now what could be funnier than that Ha Ha...
As to me being a guy phasshhhhhh i am all female
And i am laughing in my pants seeing you confuse me with GCPerm. I remeber seeing that name on IV before. Was he an EB3 who was kicked out by you guys ?
this guy is pulling u'r chains..... its not she.... its a he.....
u know who this guy is? surprise surprise ....... gcperm is back.... as plainspeak....
hey gcperm aka plainspeak..... long time.... where've u been? i missed u :rolleyes:
Ron Hira my friend you are on an immigration forum and you have an Anti Immigrant login id. Now what could be funnier than that Ha Ha...
As to me being a guy phasshhhhhh i am all female
And i am laughing in my pants seeing you confuse me with GCPerm. I remeber seeing that name on IV before. Was he an EB3 who was kicked out by you guys ?
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anai
06-27 12:48 PM
Three facts, followed by one interpretation.
First: several members (incl self) have checked with their own lawyers and these lawyers tend to agree with the common interpretation of validity for entire month. And at least some of these are lawyers with many years of practice.
Second: Fragomen, the largest immigration law firm, on its website mentions the mid-month possibility; so while there is no government source, the whole topic cannot be dismissed as an unfounded rumor.
Third: Macaca keeps cutting and pasting from the ombudsman's report in many different colors.
My interpretation:
The mid-month concept seems to be a matter of opinion. Multicolor posts notwithstanding, there's nothing official on this matter so far. (I emailed the state department seeking an answer; not surprisingly, I haven't heard back. If anyone else can get something from the horse's mouth, then post it here. If you can get stuff only from the other end of the horse, then maybe there's isn't much pointing in driving a general panic.)
First: several members (incl self) have checked with their own lawyers and these lawyers tend to agree with the common interpretation of validity for entire month. And at least some of these are lawyers with many years of practice.
Second: Fragomen, the largest immigration law firm, on its website mentions the mid-month possibility; so while there is no government source, the whole topic cannot be dismissed as an unfounded rumor.
Third: Macaca keeps cutting and pasting from the ombudsman's report in many different colors.
My interpretation:
The mid-month concept seems to be a matter of opinion. Multicolor posts notwithstanding, there's nothing official on this matter so far. (I emailed the state department seeking an answer; not surprisingly, I haven't heard back. If anyone else can get something from the horse's mouth, then post it here. If you can get stuff only from the other end of the horse, then maybe there's isn't much pointing in driving a general panic.)
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syendu1
01-14 06:43 PM
well, the people who are in eb3 and cannot do anything about it, for reasons that you quoted, i agree, it is a pity. but, you know what, "life is not fair".
Yes life is not fair but when we get a chance to be fair we (And that includes me also) let it go by.
it is a good thing u worry about others, and want to help them. however, when u look at those bills you mentioned and none getting passed. yes, it may look like a waste to do anything. however, we need to keep trying. with the limited resources we have, i think we should focus on "things/bills/issues" the IMPACT most people. doing something only for eb3 or eb2, in my opinion, would be even more difficult, given the progress legal immigration has made in this country. so, may be, u cud help in getting the things done that impact more people.
What i porposed was doing something in the DV bill for badly retrogressed applicants (There wil be no reference to EB3 or EB2). Now the fact that this might help EB3 is because EB3 is the most badly retrogressed section.
and it is ur decision not to go eb2 (even, with the resources you mentioned). have to admit, thats strange. may be u r like me, who is not obsessed with a gc. however, we live in a society, in a system (however flawed it may be), and we all try to live by those rules, try to use opportunities that are available legally and make our lives, a little better.
You know what i was tempted to do EB2 but my sense of right and wrong prevented me. My mess up the already loaded and unstable system with another app when i already have one. Now for persons who are in EB3 (Please remove me from the equation) are thier not because they wanted to but because of the way thei whole immigration crap has evolved. Sure porting will help me out and i wil not need to justify this to anyone else but i will have to face myself. I know most people do not get it. It is doing right.
i came to this country in 1999, i have a MS, PHD from a reputed Comp Sci program. Many people who (still) dont know much about Computer Sci. came into the dept, got their MS and have been very successful, making tons of money. i am a guy whose bs, ms and phd is in Comp Sci. i think u will find may 2 or 3 guz out of may 10, who have a degree in CS, particularly in the undergrad. i used to be very mad at all the electrical, mechanical etc guz getting software jobs. i used to hate almost all software professionals coz i thought i had to work very had for my ranks, on my gpa and on my degrees and see there are people who are making as much as i do, with none of that. slowly, but surely, i have come to terms that "life is not fair" and then, what if fellow human beings can get good jobs, whats wrong with that?? is how i started to see it, (as long as they are good enough).
No comments there i agree with you
what i am trying to say is please think in a global scale and help solve issues which can impact the MOST number of people and not just a minority. coz, the exceptions u stated, will be there for any issue.
Global scale. I thought we were on scale of US. Please let me correct you EB3 is not a minority but a Majority in the EB community. just because a situation is not worth helping is not any reason to not step forward. I personally feel that IV can do something which will help EB3 because that i sthe only category which has no help from anyone. As for EB2 i have no grudges against them . You got your GC or will get it soon and all the best of luck to you, but if something can be done for EB3 it should be
Jai Hind
well, it is noble to do what is "right" and to always stand for it. but, i dont believe for a second porting is "wrong". u wouldn't agree though but u dont have problems when others port. i have no argument about that.
people r in eb3, not becoz they want to. sure, i agree, given a choice, everyone will pick eb1. however, the question is, why have they been put there?? nobody forced them to. u dont qualify for other categories, u deal with it. (there may a few exceptions to that). so, i wud not feel really bad for people who had to be in eb3 (cud be lack of need qualifications or any other reasons, even things out of their control). as i said "life is not fair".
i think it is global, aren't there ROW eb3 people who are retrogressed as well. now, u may have a point in saying that eb3 is the majority. isn't that the case anywhere. take a look at the train (first class- few people, second class - more, general -- a lot). pls dont take this example as derogatory, becoz i dont mean it that way. my intention is usually the most generic category (that which may apply to most people) is most crowded. so, doing something wud probably impact a whole number of people--which means yes, anything possible that somebody can, should and must do.
however, that and being ahead in time, cannot be used as the only reasons to bypass eb2 and service or even share with eb3 (i think this was something proposed by some eb3 folks on this forum), i wud not agree. there were some other suggestions too, that i thought was not right. and i have already talked to you about my logic as to why.
i just thought working towards something that applies to "ALL" would be the way to go. But, I can kind of see your point too. Best of luck in whatever you do.
Finally, I did not answer your reply promptly as I was on my way back from work and I replied the first chance I got. (now, i'll go watch social network and relax, i have family visiting me). and thanks for wishing me for my gc. i wish the same to u.
Jai Hind
Yes life is not fair but when we get a chance to be fair we (And that includes me also) let it go by.
it is a good thing u worry about others, and want to help them. however, when u look at those bills you mentioned and none getting passed. yes, it may look like a waste to do anything. however, we need to keep trying. with the limited resources we have, i think we should focus on "things/bills/issues" the IMPACT most people. doing something only for eb3 or eb2, in my opinion, would be even more difficult, given the progress legal immigration has made in this country. so, may be, u cud help in getting the things done that impact more people.
What i porposed was doing something in the DV bill for badly retrogressed applicants (There wil be no reference to EB3 or EB2). Now the fact that this might help EB3 is because EB3 is the most badly retrogressed section.
and it is ur decision not to go eb2 (even, with the resources you mentioned). have to admit, thats strange. may be u r like me, who is not obsessed with a gc. however, we live in a society, in a system (however flawed it may be), and we all try to live by those rules, try to use opportunities that are available legally and make our lives, a little better.
You know what i was tempted to do EB2 but my sense of right and wrong prevented me. My mess up the already loaded and unstable system with another app when i already have one. Now for persons who are in EB3 (Please remove me from the equation) are thier not because they wanted to but because of the way thei whole immigration crap has evolved. Sure porting will help me out and i wil not need to justify this to anyone else but i will have to face myself. I know most people do not get it. It is doing right.
i came to this country in 1999, i have a MS, PHD from a reputed Comp Sci program. Many people who (still) dont know much about Computer Sci. came into the dept, got their MS and have been very successful, making tons of money. i am a guy whose bs, ms and phd is in Comp Sci. i think u will find may 2 or 3 guz out of may 10, who have a degree in CS, particularly in the undergrad. i used to be very mad at all the electrical, mechanical etc guz getting software jobs. i used to hate almost all software professionals coz i thought i had to work very had for my ranks, on my gpa and on my degrees and see there are people who are making as much as i do, with none of that. slowly, but surely, i have come to terms that "life is not fair" and then, what if fellow human beings can get good jobs, whats wrong with that?? is how i started to see it, (as long as they are good enough).
No comments there i agree with you
what i am trying to say is please think in a global scale and help solve issues which can impact the MOST number of people and not just a minority. coz, the exceptions u stated, will be there for any issue.
Global scale. I thought we were on scale of US. Please let me correct you EB3 is not a minority but a Majority in the EB community. just because a situation is not worth helping is not any reason to not step forward. I personally feel that IV can do something which will help EB3 because that i sthe only category which has no help from anyone. As for EB2 i have no grudges against them . You got your GC or will get it soon and all the best of luck to you, but if something can be done for EB3 it should be
Jai Hind
well, it is noble to do what is "right" and to always stand for it. but, i dont believe for a second porting is "wrong". u wouldn't agree though but u dont have problems when others port. i have no argument about that.
people r in eb3, not becoz they want to. sure, i agree, given a choice, everyone will pick eb1. however, the question is, why have they been put there?? nobody forced them to. u dont qualify for other categories, u deal with it. (there may a few exceptions to that). so, i wud not feel really bad for people who had to be in eb3 (cud be lack of need qualifications or any other reasons, even things out of their control). as i said "life is not fair".
i think it is global, aren't there ROW eb3 people who are retrogressed as well. now, u may have a point in saying that eb3 is the majority. isn't that the case anywhere. take a look at the train (first class- few people, second class - more, general -- a lot). pls dont take this example as derogatory, becoz i dont mean it that way. my intention is usually the most generic category (that which may apply to most people) is most crowded. so, doing something wud probably impact a whole number of people--which means yes, anything possible that somebody can, should and must do.
however, that and being ahead in time, cannot be used as the only reasons to bypass eb2 and service or even share with eb3 (i think this was something proposed by some eb3 folks on this forum), i wud not agree. there were some other suggestions too, that i thought was not right. and i have already talked to you about my logic as to why.
i just thought working towards something that applies to "ALL" would be the way to go. But, I can kind of see your point too. Best of luck in whatever you do.
Finally, I did not answer your reply promptly as I was on my way back from work and I replied the first chance I got. (now, i'll go watch social network and relax, i have family visiting me). and thanks for wishing me for my gc. i wish the same to u.
Jai Hind
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jsb
06-01 09:48 AM
I think this is a requirement from US government that countries that need a SSA agreement with US needs to have a Social Security system. Asking our SSA and Medicare back is a good strategy which will benefit us one way or other....
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With SSA agreements with other countries, money is not returned to you if/when you leave the US. Contributions you made for similar programs while working in other contries are collectively considered to decide your final benefit at retirement. Having no parallel plan in India it is difficult to have such an arrangment with them.
Stronger argument would be, why should a guest worker contribute to SSA/Medicare when those programs are for permanent residents/citizens hoping to retire in the US. It should be payable only after getting GC. Of course, in that case, your benefits at retirement would also be lower. Note that your employer also makes an equal contributions to these plans.
Most of you may already know but let me restate, if you work in the US for 10 yrs, you will get SSA at retirement, no matter if you have GC or not or where you live. There are some exceptions but they don't apply to India/China citizens living in their home countries.
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With SSA agreements with other countries, money is not returned to you if/when you leave the US. Contributions you made for similar programs while working in other contries are collectively considered to decide your final benefit at retirement. Having no parallel plan in India it is difficult to have such an arrangment with them.
Stronger argument would be, why should a guest worker contribute to SSA/Medicare when those programs are for permanent residents/citizens hoping to retire in the US. It should be payable only after getting GC. Of course, in that case, your benefits at retirement would also be lower. Note that your employer also makes an equal contributions to these plans.
Most of you may already know but let me restate, if you work in the US for 10 yrs, you will get SSA at retirement, no matter if you have GC or not or where you live. There are some exceptions but they don't apply to India/China citizens living in their home countries.
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PlainSpeak
01-14 12:38 PM
PlainSpeak - instead of spending so much time on responding to everyone's criticism of you, why dont you go ahead and detail out the "how" of "what" you think IV should do.
Maybe there is a gap in the understanding of all the posters here in terms of "how" all what you have said will pan out.
Please be specific around who, when, to whom and using what means can the "what" of your proposition be accomplished. And while you are at it, it will also be useful to lay out how and which of the activities you could personally be of help (by devoting time/ money/ energy/ All/ Some Combination).
For all you know, it might open the eyes of a lot of people here.
PlainSpeak - instead of spending so much time on responding to everyone's criticism of you, why dont you go ahead and detail out the "how" of "what" you think IV should do.
My friend if all you abusive people wil stop criticing and providing abusive comments then we can start on teh actual work. I am not going to jump through hoops just because you have asked me to. First let me see whether the attitude of the people out here (Yes i mean you abusive people) will change becasue without doing that if i start on the implementing what i am talkinbg about all you guys will do is sabotage the talk
Maybe there is a gap in the understanding of all the posters here in terms of "how" all what you have said will pan out.
This is a forum right. How what where and when will have to be discussed and worked out (And yes i do not want any credit for it so name it GCHope2001's grand idea for all i care), but ....
If everyone is against the plan from the start (and being vocally abusive about it) how do you think anything will move forward on this
Please be specific around who, when, to whom and using what means can the "what" of your proposition be accomplished. And while you are at it, it will also be useful to lay out how and which of the activities you could personally be of help (by devoting time/ money/ energy/ All/ Some Combination).
Only if i think at least 25 % of all you senior abusive member even agree in principle with what is being proposed. Heck my idea is for releif for EB retrogressed persons and all i get from all you senior memebers and donors is oh he is lazy skill less eb3 and he is doing it to get his creen card and other comments and everyone is all about lets bash this person and oh wow she is a gal so lets do some crude women joke (There was a guy ealier who talked about proper up bringing. I do not see you here any more)
And yes my friends please use this as an oppurtunity to start off a new discussion about how he needs help. My friends everyone needs help. Even you. Even core
For all you know, it might open the eyes of a lot of people here. How can some one open up the eyes of the people who bent on keeping it closed. First is there a concensus on this. I do not see any. Any you want me to stand up ubn front of all these people batying for blood and give a detail idea of ho wi wil accomplish. I do not talk to people like that why would i talk about any plan to those who do not agree with even discussing it forget about implementing it
Maybe there is a gap in the understanding of all the posters here in terms of "how" all what you have said will pan out.
Please be specific around who, when, to whom and using what means can the "what" of your proposition be accomplished. And while you are at it, it will also be useful to lay out how and which of the activities you could personally be of help (by devoting time/ money/ energy/ All/ Some Combination).
For all you know, it might open the eyes of a lot of people here.
PlainSpeak - instead of spending so much time on responding to everyone's criticism of you, why dont you go ahead and detail out the "how" of "what" you think IV should do.
My friend if all you abusive people wil stop criticing and providing abusive comments then we can start on teh actual work. I am not going to jump through hoops just because you have asked me to. First let me see whether the attitude of the people out here (Yes i mean you abusive people) will change becasue without doing that if i start on the implementing what i am talkinbg about all you guys will do is sabotage the talk
Maybe there is a gap in the understanding of all the posters here in terms of "how" all what you have said will pan out.
This is a forum right. How what where and when will have to be discussed and worked out (And yes i do not want any credit for it so name it GCHope2001's grand idea for all i care), but ....
If everyone is against the plan from the start (and being vocally abusive about it) how do you think anything will move forward on this
Please be specific around who, when, to whom and using what means can the "what" of your proposition be accomplished. And while you are at it, it will also be useful to lay out how and which of the activities you could personally be of help (by devoting time/ money/ energy/ All/ Some Combination).
Only if i think at least 25 % of all you senior abusive member even agree in principle with what is being proposed. Heck my idea is for releif for EB retrogressed persons and all i get from all you senior memebers and donors is oh he is lazy skill less eb3 and he is doing it to get his creen card and other comments and everyone is all about lets bash this person and oh wow she is a gal so lets do some crude women joke (There was a guy ealier who talked about proper up bringing. I do not see you here any more)
And yes my friends please use this as an oppurtunity to start off a new discussion about how he needs help. My friends everyone needs help. Even you. Even core
For all you know, it might open the eyes of a lot of people here. How can some one open up the eyes of the people who bent on keeping it closed. First is there a concensus on this. I do not see any. Any you want me to stand up ubn front of all these people batying for blood and give a detail idea of ho wi wil accomplish. I do not talk to people like that why would i talk about any plan to those who do not agree with even discussing it forget about implementing it
easygoer
07-23 01:51 PM
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immigrationvoice1
02-14 01:18 PM
You are assuming of course that all those who fall in the India category are Indians - I am not. I'm a Canadian who happened to be born in India and thus fall into that same bucket. My fellow Canadians who were born in Canada and are now in the US all support me in the removal of per country limits. Let us be more accurate and refer to this as the "mood amongst fellow Indian-born applicants", as opposed to "fellow Indians".
With one fifth of the world population born in India, we probably consider everyone who has anything to do with India as "Indians" (as Russell Peters, another Indo-Canadian (Anglo Indian) said, "Indians - the ones from the Convenience stores and NOT from the Casinos!"), its the same thing...."Desis" would be a wider term I believe! We love all !
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With one fifth of the world population born in India, we probably consider everyone who has anything to do with India as "Indians" (as Russell Peters, another Indo-Canadian (Anglo Indian) said, "Indians - the ones from the Convenience stores and NOT from the Casinos!"), its the same thing...."Desis" would be a wider term I believe! We love all !
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